(CNSNews.com) - President Trump has made it clear: "we're here to make a deal," Vice President Mike Pence told Fox News's Tucker Carlson Thursday night. "But it's a deal that's going to result in achieving real gains on border security. And you have no border security without the wall. We will have no deal without a wall," Pence promised.
He said it several times: "There's no wall, there's no deal."
Pence said the Trump administration is "completely focused" on building the wall and passing legislation that provides other "resources and tools" for those who enforce our immigration laws.
"There's lot of people talking about a lot of different ideas," Pence continued.
"Some members of the senate are talking about maybe including Dreamers in some sort of a negotiated settlement. And the president's posture on all this is look, we're at $5.6 billion. We have engaged in good-faith negotiations. We've made offers, there's been no counter-offers made.
"But again, we heard the Democrat leadership, the new Speaker of the House this morning again said, no money for the wall. Well, the American people know, walls work."
"We're not doing a wall," Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said on her first day as Speaker of the House in the 116th Congress. She called it a wall between countries an "immorality" and "an old way of thinking."
Pence said the administration really is prepared to "negotiate" -- to talk and listen to Democrats: "And ultimately, it all begins with the facts. That's the reason the president called the meeting in the Situation Room (on Wednesday). We will be meeting again tomorrow (Friday) with Republican and Democratic leadership. And I want the American people to know that -- you know, this is a real crisis at our border."
Pence said Trump's strong stand against illegal immigration produced a decline in such activity in 2017, but since then, the numbers are way up, with 2,000 people a day apprehended at the border or found to be inadmissible.
"We can agree on those facts, come together around solutions. But Part of that solution means a wall, it means a barrier along our southern border. And it also means technology, drones, the kind of support that our border agents know will assist them in doing their job. But, bottom line, there's no wall, there's no deal."
On another topic, Trump's planned U.S. troop withdrawal from Syria and maybe Afghanistan, Pence said the goal all along has been to destroy ISIS.
"The reality is, we have defeated ISIS; we have defeated the caliphate. And what the president announced just before Christmas is not that we're giving up on the fight of ISIS, we're going to continue to lean into the fight of ISIS; we're going to continue to take the actions necessary to protect the American people and our interests in the region. But the president has determined... that it is no longer necessary for us to have American forces in harm's way in northeastern Syria to accomplish that."
Pence said the U.S. withdrawal from Syria will be done in an "orderly way."
And he said the president is now "in the process of evaluating" the 18-year U.S. fight in Afghanistan from an "America first" perspective.
"The president's looking at ways in Syria, and perhaps even in Afghanistan, where we can have less of a military commitment and see those resources and those troops coming home," Pence said.