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Tucker Carlson: ‘It Is Never True That Diversity Is Your Strength’

Michael Morris
By Michael Morris | November 6, 2018 | 12:17 PM EST

Fox News' Tucker Carlson discusses his new book “Ship of Fools” and diversity with Ben Shapiro on Ben Shapiro's show the "Sunday Special" Episode 26. (Screenshot)

Fox News’ Tucker Carlson joined host of “The Ben Shapiro Show” and Editor-in-Chief of the Daily Wire Ben Shapiro on his Sunday podcast, the “Sunday Special,” this past weekend, Carlson suggesting that “it is never true that diversity is your strength.”

“So, I just asked the obvious question, ‘Is diversity our strength?’” said Tucker Carlson to Ben Shapiro. “And of course, like so much they say, it’s not only untrue, it’s the opposite of what is true. It is never true that diversity is your strength. I’m for all kinds of diversity, but they’re not our strengths. In other words, is it true in your marriage the less you have in common with your wife, the stronger your marriage is? ‘We don’t even speak the same language. That’s why we love each other so much.’”

Tucker Carlson’s comments on a sort of “forced diversity” as Shapiro terms it, stem from his book “Ship of Fools,” in which Carlson addresses diversity and how he has been labeled racist for his opinions on it.

Below is a transcript of Carlson and Shapiro’s remarks on diversity from Ben Shapiro’s November 4, 2018 “Sunday Special,” Episode 26:

Ben Shapiro: “But your viewpoint on diversity is basically, as I see it expressed in the book, that diversity is a neutral. It’s not good or bad inherently.”

Tucker Carlson: “It’s not a value.”

Shapiro: “It’s not a value.”

Carlson: “It’s a description.”

Shapiro: “Right. And so where do you see the conflict lying between right and left on that particular issue?”

Carlson: “Well, so, where I agree with you is that – while, as I’ve noted, I’m distrustful of complex ideologies – I do think that you need to start with certain things that you believe are true and act on them if you want to get to the place you desire to be.

“So, what I just noticed just as an American – and I’m not an intellectual, I’m a talk show host; so this is a very obvious thing – that our national motto has been redefined to its mirror image. So, of course, it was ‘Out of many, one,’ and now it is ‘Diversity is our strength.’

“So, I think it’s fair if you, without asking my consent, replace the core principle of our country, it’s fair for me to ask if that principle is worth organizing a country around. So, I just asked the obvious question, ‘Is diversity our strength?’ And of course, like so much they say, it’s not only untrue, it’s the opposite of what is true. It is never true that diversity is your strength. I’m for all kinds of diversity, but they’re not our strengths. In other words, is it true in your marriage: the less you have in common with your wife, the stronger your marriage is? ‘We don’t even speak the same language. That’s why we love each other so much.’ Is it true in your business? ‘We don’t know what we’re all doing here.’ Is it true in a military? No, it’s insane, actually. It’s the opposite, once again, of what is true, what is observably true.

“So, I just noted that. And by the way, at the same time I noted it – as I did 50 nights in the past 200 nights – I make the case explicitly against racism. Which is, you are not responsible for your immutable qualities. You can’t control your height, your hair color, your DNA, what your parents did. None of that is your fault, and you should not be punished for it or rewarded for it. That is an argument against racism – explicitly.

“And so, for that I’m a ‘racist!’ It’s like, no, you don’t understand. I’m arguing against all kinds of racism. I think it’s a really dangerous way to see the world.”

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