President Pelosi? Michael Moore Envisages Both Trump and Pence Removed From Office

By Patrick Goodenough | October 25, 2019 | 1:30am EDT
Michael Moore at a protest rally in New York on the eve of President Trump’s inauguration in Jan. 2017. (Photo by Bryan R. Smith/AFP/Getty Images)

( – Liberal political activist and documentary filmmaker Michael Moore thinks Vice President Mike Pence may be impeached and removed from office along with President Trump – an outcome that he noted would see House Speaker Nancy Pelosi elevated to the presidency.

“Pence is caught up in the Ukraine crime, and Pence will go too,” Moore predicted during a live recording Thursday of The Intercept’s “Deconstructed” podcast, referring to Democrats’ allegations that Trump withheld aid from Ukraine to pressure it investigate 2020 presidential candidate Joe Biden.

“There may not be enough time, but what the Constitution says has to happen is, Pence becomes president [if Trump is removed] and then, you know, the next in line is Nancy Pelosi.”

“But he may go with Trump,” Moore said of Pence. “I think that this will probably end up in the courts, or at least at the Supreme Court.”

Moore went on to say that Americans really don’t know “who or what is going to be on the ballot next year.”

He suggested the Republican nominee could end up being Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah), or former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, should he “decide to go back to being a Republican.”

Podcast host Mehdi Hasan, an Al Jazeera journalist, had asked Moore whether he agreed with the view, which Hasan said was held by some on the left, that Trump’s removal would lead to “President Mike Pence, who’s worse in many ways – the ideologue.”

“Here’s actually what is better about Pence over Trump,” Moore said later. “Pence has an ideology. Pence believes in things. Trump has no ideology. He only believes in Donald J. Trump.”

Hasan asked the largely liberal audience to signal whether they would prefer to see Trump remain president or Pence become president. While Trump received no cheers, Pence got modest applause.

“I just wanted to get a room of lefties to cheer Mike Pence,” said Hasan with a laugh.

Under the Constitution, the House of Representatives can impeach a president, by a simple majority of those present and voting. Removal from office requires a Senate trial, followed by a two-thirds majority vote to convict.

Moore and Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.), who was also on the podcast, have both endorsed Sen. Bernie Sanders in the 2020 presidential campaign.

In response to a question, Omar said she does not identify herself as a “democratic socialist” – as Sanders does – on the grounds that “there are too many labels on me, and I do not want to add an extra one.”

Moore said that he does identify as a socialist.

Hasan cited a Gallup poll earlier this year which found that only 47 percent of Americans would vote for a socialist to be president, compared to 66 percent who said they would vote for a Muslim.

“Now if you’re less popular than the Muslims when it comes to voting, can you really be president of the United States?” he asked. “Can you really get a majority?”

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