WARNING: The video, images, and descriptions in this story involve abortion and fetal body parts. The material is graphic and disturbing.
(CNSNews.com) – In the fourth undercover investigative video of Planned Parenthood officials discussing the harvesting and selling of aborted baby parts – internal organs and tissue – a medical assistant, with the doctor, is shown in a Planned Parenthood office picking organs from a dead baby out of a glass pie dish and at points saying, “here’s the heart … this is part of the head … here’s some intestines.”
At one point there is a crunching noise and the fetal tissue buyer (an undercover actor) asks, “Was that crack the little bits of the skull?” The medical assistant answers, “uh-huh.”
Near the video’s end, the abortion-doctor, Savita Y. Ginde, M.D., vice president and medical director of Planned Parenthood of Rocky Mountains (PPRM), is picking through the aborted baby body parts in the pie dish, along with the medical assistant, and says, “Here’s a stomach, heart, kidney, adrenal – I don’t know what else is in there, tiny.”
The assistant, identified by his apparent first name "Jess" in the video, keeps poking around and then exclaims, “And another boy!”
In this fourth video, released by the Center for Medical Progress (CMP), actors posed as buyers for a fetal tissue procurement company and discussed their business plans with Dr. Savita Y. Ginde, who oversees the Planned Parenthood of Rocky Mountains facility in Denver, Colo.
The video starts off with Planned Parenthood President Cecile Richards being interviewed by ABC This Week host George Stephanopoulos, and Richards stresses that the cost for specimens (aborted baby parts) is “not a fee” but just the “cost of transmitting this material.”
“We look forward to the facts coming out,” says Richards.
Then the video switches to the undercover operation, where it states, “The footage you are about to see was taken from an undercover meeting at a large Planned Parenthood affiliate’s abortion mega-clinic headquarters. It includes a demonstration of body-parts harvesting from an aborted fetus. Some viewers may find this content disturbing.” See video here.
The video then shows Dr. Ginde discussing various fetal body parts, or specimens, with an apparent associate – a young man with dark hair wearing black-framed glasses – while the buyer/actor is asking questions.
Then CMP states that its “buyers” met with Dr. Ginde at the PPRM in Denver and hidden video is shown of that meeting and discussion. The CMP further states that PPRM is one of the largest Planned Parenthood facilities and performs more than 10,000 abortions per year.
CMP provides a complete transcript of its entire video on its site. Parts of that conversation are reproduced here:
Dr. Ginde: “So, we usually see about 20, well from 18 on a light day but up to 25 patients in a day. Obviously, not in the gestational age that you’re interested in. You say you want over 14 weeks?”
Buyer: “Yes. It’s possible depending on, two factors. Number one, there are some good scientific reasons why researchers are requesting later gestations. Some of it is artificial though, depending on how easily our tech or our new tech, however that’s going to work out can just find what’s being requested.”
Buyer: "If you can kind of play around with that lower range I think, if the specimens [aborted baby parts] are coming out more intact. So that, I guess, we will kind of get a first-hand look at that today, later on. How many procedures are scheduled? When we’re talking about intact specimens, how many of those do you see?"
Dr. Ginde: “Intact specimens?”
Buyer: “Yes, within-- what’s your volume on an average Tuesday?"
Dr. Ginde: “With second tris [trimesters]? Anywhere as low as three up to seven. … Intact? So we do basically D&Es. Intact is less than 10 percent.”
A D&E abortion is a procedure that involves dilation of a pregnant woman’s cervix and then the extraction of the baby inside her, usually done with an electrically operated vacuum and forceps and a curette to ensure all of the baby is removed and the uterine lining is scraped.
As WebMD further explains, “Doctors may use ultrasound during the D&E procedure to confirm that all of the tissue has been removed and the pregnancy has ended.”
Dr. Ginde also says, “Sometimes, we get -- if someone delivers [a baby] before we get to see them for a procedure, then they are intact, but that’s not what we go for.”
Planned Parenthood President Cecile Richards. (AP)
As for finding the tiny fetal body parts, Dr. Ginde tells the buyers, “So, this is going to be naked eye determination, so those kinds of things of what you’re looking for, obviously we’re getting trained. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a thymus, maybe I have and I don’t know that I have.”
“I know I’ve seen livers,” says Dr. Ginde. “I’ve seen stomachs, I’ve seen plenty neural tissue, usually we can see the whole brain usually come out.”
As the conversation continues, Dr. Ginde says, “You know, when you get to 17 or 18 weeks, because you do get some of those, that’s when you’re doing a lot more of the D&E [abortions] and you might get larger [parts].”
Dr. Ginde: “So that’s where we have to do a little bit of training with the providers on making sure that they don’t crush [the baby] or are able to – … See if we could do any work with them to maybe be a little bit more gentle.”
A little later, Dr. Ginde says, “We have to know who else is doing this [body parts procurement and transfer]. Because if you have someone in a really anti- state who’s going to be doing this for you, they’re probably going to get caught. You know?"
“Someone’s going to be poking around a lot more with them, just because of the state that they’re in, than we might have here,” she said. “They’re pretty bad out there. They try to plan stuff.”
Buyer: “They don’t seem very sophisticated.”
Dr. Ginde: “They sort of -- they definitely go for the easy. Like, if you do something and they find it, they’re like: ’Hey great!’ … If it takes a couple layers or some work, then they don’t go for it.”
Buyer: “So the more layers we can put up, research, and this and that.”
Dr. Ginde: “Yeah, that’s what I mean. And we all have to be following the same—”
Dr. Ginde: “Yeah.”
Buyer: “And attorneys—“
Dr. Ginde: “This is not California. You step out of California and it’s not so nice. And we really have to play politics with the environment to make sure that, we’re doing things legit, but we’re also protecting ourselves.”
Buyer: “How confident are you with your attorneys’ work that you’ve seen, they are building many layers and making it difficult—”
Dr. Ginde: “We’ve got it figured out, that he knows that—because we talked to him in the beginning, we were like, we don’t want to get called on, you know, selling fetal parts across states.”
Buyer: “Mhm. Neither do we.”
Dr. Ginde: You know what I mean? No one wants to get—”
David Daledin, project leader for the CMP, said in a press release, “Elected officials need to listen to the public outcry for an immediate moratorium on Planned Parenthood’s taxpayer funding while the 10 state investigations and 3 congressional committees determine the full extent of Planned Parenthood’s sale of baby parts.”
“Planned Parenthood’s recent call for the NIH to convene an expert panel to ‘study’ fetal experimentation is absurd after suggestions from Planned Parenthood’s Dr. Ginde that ‘research’ can be used as a catch-all to cover-up baby parts sales," said CMP's Daledin. "The biggest problem is bad actors like Planned Parenthood who hold themselves above the law in order to harvest and make money off of aborted fetal brains, hearts, and livers.”
About halfway through the video, the buyers and Dr. Ginde go into the fetal tissue procurement room, the “pathological laboratory,” where there also is a medical assistant. In these scenes, Dr. Ginde and the medical assistant take turns poking through the aborted baby that is in a glass pie dish on top of a bright medical light.
As they discuss the various baby body parts, the buyers ask questions and discuss the tissue being examined. WARNING: The video is graphic.
Some of the conversation that occurs in those scenes is reproduced here:
Buyer: “Was that crack the little bits of the skull?”
Jess [medical assistant]: “Uh-huh. … I just want to see another leg, here’s a foot.”
Dr. Ginde: “It’s a baby. The question is. So.”
Buyer: “Should I grab some gloves?”
Ginde: “Yeah. I’m just trying to see—”
Buyer: “Liver is often similar color to vaginal lining. Oh, I’m like why is it so difficult?”
Meddical Assistant: “Right in the middle there.”
Buyer: “This is placental sac. With the umbilical cord. If you want to get Susan and let her know we have cases.”
Dr. Savita Y. Ginde, vice president and medical director,
Planned Parenthood of Rocky Mountains. (Source: CMP)
Dr. Ginde: “Yeah, let me see if I can get you some picks.”
Buyer: “This is the placenta. This part of—”
Dr. Ginde: “This is part of the head.”
Buyer: “Oh wow. That-- this is high quality.”
Dr. Ginde: “Yeah. The nose?”
Buyer: “Yeah, I see the mouth and everything.”
Dr. Ginde: “Oh look, here’s some intestines. Once we take it out of water it will be harder to identify.”
Buyer: “This is—”
Dr. Ginde: “That’s the pelvis. "
Buyer: “This is pelvis with rib cage."
Dr. Ginde: “That’s thorax."
Buyer: “Here right?"
Dr. Ginde: “Exactly."
Buyer: “So maybe—”
Dr. Ginde: “Look, something is attached to this.”
Buyer: “If we flip this over, maybe that’s stomach.”
Dr. Ginde: “This is the head, I think. This is the cervical spine, and this is the lumbar/thoracic spine.”
Buyer: “This is the hand. … We’ve almost got a complete calvarium [head] over here, with the jaw.”
Buyer: “This could be thymus right here.”
Dr. Ginde: “Really?”
Buyer: “Thymus comes in two lobes, and it’s light in color like that and I think it’s about- gauging by the size of, like we said, the cervical spine area over here.”
Dr. Ginde: “Cool.”
Buyer: “Is that the heart?”
Medical Assistant: “I think so, here’s the heart.”
Ginde: “Everyone’s trying to get in on it.”
Medical Assistant: “My fingers will smoosh it, if I try to pick it up. The heart is right there.”
Dr. Ginde: “Do people do stuff with eyeballs?”
Buyer: “Oh, yeah.”
Medical assistant: “Oh, yeah.”
Buyer: “Although eyeballs, they generally want more developed [larger] than this. … Ther was a brain in here.”
Dr. Ginde: “Blasted out?”
Buyer: “Yeah, it got blasted out with the water.”
Dr. Ginde: “Well, you know, a lot of times especially with the 2nd tris [trimesters], is we won’t even put water because it’s so big you can put your hand in there and just pick up the parts.”
Dr. Ginde: “So, I don’t think it would be as war-torn.”
Buyer: “War-torn? Oh dear.”
Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in the United States. In its latest annual report, it states the non-profit received $528.4 million in “government health service grants and reimbursements.”
The annual report (2013-14) also shows that Planned Parenthood performed 327,653 abortions for that year.
In a July 28 statement following the third undercover video released by the Center for Medical Progress, Planned Parenthood said, “It is a profoundly offensive violation of privacy and dignity that anti-abortion extremists entered our laboratory under false pretenses and are now broadcasting video of a part of the process for a safe abortion.”
“While we cannot discuss private security matters, we are doing all that we can to upgrade our extensive security systems and to foster an environment in our country where providers of essential women’s health care and their patients are not subject to threats, harassment and intimidation.”
“The opportunity to donate fetal tissue has been a source of comfort for many women who have chosen to donate,” said the statement.
As reported on Tuesday by Politico, Planned Parenthood enlisted the high-end and liberal-leaning PR firm SKDKnickerbocker to help handle the fallout from the undercover videos.
“The group circulated a memo to reporters and producers late Monday that discouraged them from airing the undercover videos, arguing that they were obtained under false identification and violated patient privacy,” said Politico.
Commenting on the investigative videos, Students for Life of America President Kristan Hawkins said, "This is what happens behind the closed doors of Planned Parenthood. This is what 'choice' looks like. If the media allows the truth to be seen, this will be the end of Planned Parenthood and beginning of the end of abortion in our nation."
The complete investigative videos and transcripts can be viewed at the Center for Medical Progress.org.