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VIDEO: Dem Rep. Swalwell Won’t Say If Abortion Is the Taking of a Human Life

By Michael Morris | February 3, 2017 | 10:54am EST
Representative Eric Swalwell (D-Calif.) discusses abortion and U.S. Supreme Court nominee Neil Gorsuch on Fox News with Tucker Carlson. (Screenshot)

Discussing U.S. Supreme Court nominee Neil Gorsuch’s position on life with Fox News’s Tucker Carlson on Tuesday, Representative Eric Swalwell (D-Calif.) would not say if abortion is the taking of a human life.

“That is a woman’s personal decision,” Rep. Swalwell responded when asked whether abortion was the taking of a human life. “She’s terminating something that she does not want, and that’s her own choice.”

Rep. Eric Swalwell and Tucker Carlson’s discussion was in response to Democratic lawmakers’ reaction to President Donald Trump’s selection of Judge Neil Gorsuch as nominee for the vacant U.S. Supreme Court seat. Reportedly, Democratic lawmakers voiced concerned, stating that they would resist confirmation of Judge Gorsuch, even before he had been selected by President Trump.

Below is a transcript of the Fox News interview between Tucker Carlson and Rep. Eric Swalwell:

Carlson: “He actually hasn’t ruled on any abortion cases, but he did write in a book of ethics this – and I just want to know if you agree with him or not, and I’m quoting him directly: ‘All human beings are intrinsically valuable, and the intentional taking of human life by private persons is always wrong.’

“Do you believe that?”

Rep. Swalwell: “All human beings are intrinsically valuable. However, Roe v. Wade says that a woman has a right to make a decision about her own healthcare.”

Carlson: “Okay, but I’m not asking about Roe v. Wade. I’m asking you to assess what he has said here, not about Roe v. Wade but just a general statement.

“‘All human beings are intrinsically valuable.’ You agree with that.

“The second part is, ‘The intentional taking of human life by private persons is always wrong.’ Do you agree with that or not?”

Rep. Swalwell: “Two of the most personal decisions a person can make is a woman with her doctor about her own body and a person who’s terminally ill about whether they want to die in piece. And he has chosen that the government should intervene and—”

Carlson: “Are you going to answer my question? ‘The intentional taking of human life by private persons is always wrong.’

“Now, if you can’t agree on that—”

Rep. Swalwell: “The Constitution says that a woman has a right to make her own health care decisions.”

Carlson: “I’m not talking about the Constitution. What do you think?

“No, I’m not talking about woman’s rights. I mean, ‘intentional taking of human life by private persons is always wrong.’ That’s what he said, and I just want to know if you agree with that statement or not.”

Rep. Swalwell: “What he has shown in his legal career is that he—”

Carlson: “Are you really afraid to say, ‘The intentional taking of life is wrong’?

Rep. Swalwell: “No, of course not.”

Carlson: “Then why don’t you say it?”

Rep. Swalwell: “I’ve prosecuted people for intentionally taking life. What I am saying—”

Carlson: “But you won’t agree with this because you’re afraid of the abortion lobby. Like, ‘Ooh, you’re anti-abortion if you’re against the intentional taking of human life.’ I mean, come on.

Rep. Swalwell: “No. I believe a woman has the right to make her own decision about her own health care.”

Carlson: “Do you think it is the taking of a human life, abortion?”

Rep. Swalwell: “I think that right now, that viability, before viability a woman should be able to make her own decision. After viability, in the case of her own psychological health, in the case of rape or incest she should also be able to make that decision.”

Carlson: “Okay, but is it the taking of human life?”

Rep. Swalwell: “That is a woman’s personal decision.”

Carlson: “Okay, well, what do you think? I’m not asking about the decision. I mean, is it human life or not? What do you think?”

Rep. Swalwell: “She’s terminating something that she does not want, and that’s her own choice.”

Carlson: “Okay, but do you think it’s human life?”

Rep. Swalwell: “Do I think, I think at viability a baby, you know …

Carlson: “But before that it’s not a human life.”

Rep. Swalwell: “… should be decided by the woman. She’s the one that has to have it.”

Carlson: “You brought it up. That’s why I’m pressing you. Do you think before viability it’s a human life, or something else?”

Rep. Swalwell: “I think if it’s not viable yet, Tucker …

Carlson: “But is it human life?”

Rep. Swalwell: “… the Courts have decided that …”

Carlson: “You’re not going to answer me.”

Rep. Swalwell: “… it’s a woman’s decision.”

Carlson: “You’re not going to answer my question now or ever, I suspect, but you should because it’s a basic question, I think.”

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