During an interview on “Good Morning Britain” on March 6, 2019 with Susannah Reid, TV personality for ITV Piers Morgan suggested that it is “utterly ridiculous,” “damaging” to let children choose their own gender.
“Isn’t this just utterly exhausting trying to keep up with all this?” asked Piers Morgan.
“The idea that you as a parent would even countenance the idea that a two-year-old child has any ability to form any serious perception of gender, I think, frankly – I put it to you respectfully,” stated Morgan later in the interview, “is utterly ridiculous and is actually damaging to that child.”
Piers Morgan’s comments came in response to, according to ITV Good Morning Britain’s YouTube channel, “[a] family in Florida [who] have decided to raise their baby without a gender identity until the child is old enough to decide for themselves who they would like to be.”
Below is a transcript, in pertinent part, of Piers Morgan comments during his and Susannah Reid’s interview with non-binary parent Ari Dennis:
Piers Morgan: “Isn’t this just utterly exhausting trying to keep up with all this? I mean, a lot of it—You know, I’ve got no problem with you leading any life you like. Honestly, I haven’t. You’re a fully grown adult. You want to call yourself ‘they’ and non-binary, whatever it is, I have total respect for your rights, frankly, to do whatever you want to do.
“My issue is what’s happening with the kids in your household and whether, actually, it’s all being driven by the adults in the home and not these children.
“What happens if Sparrow decides— How old is Sparrow? She’s four now, right – or he? They is four?”
Ari Dennis: “Sparrow is one year old.”
Morgan: “So, I’m sorry. Hazel is four, and Sparrow is one?”
Dennis: “Hazel is eight.”
Dennis: “Hazel has been non-binary for four years.”
Morgan: “Hazel changed her gender at four but is now eight, and Sparrow is one?”
Morgan: “What happens if Hazel decides tomorrow she would now like to be a girl or a boy? I don’t—”
Dennis: “Well, then I would support that. Hazel, you know, is totally allowed to continue to explore their gender and have it evolve. You know, if gender isn’t always a static thing for some people.”
Morgan: “What if Sparrow—”
Dennis: “Being non-binary, using ‘they,’ ‘them’ is what they want right now.”
Morgan: “Okay. And if Sparrow, when she gets to say, three, or even two, when they can first start to talk, if she, if her first words are, ‘I want to be non-binary,’ or ‘I want to be a boy,’ or ‘I want to be a girl,’ would you just respect anything that a two-year-old child would say? You accepted a four-year-old’s insistence on changing gender. Would you accept a two-year-old?”
Dennis: “I would accept that that child was exploring. I think that at that age, gender is not set in stone.”
Morgan: “Ari, a child of two— I’m sorry about— I’m sorry to be the stick in the mud here. A two-year-old kid hasn’t got a Scooby-Doo about any of this stuff. The idea that you would literally—”
Dennis: “Well, exactly.”
Morgan: “The idea that you would even—”
Dennis: “Scooby-Doo’s a great thing.”
Morgan: “The idea that you as a parent—”
Dennis: “If my kid said that they wanted to pretend to be Scooby-Doo I would play along, you now, and follow the child.”
Morgan: “I’m sorry, but—The idea that you as a parent would even countenance the idea that a two-year-old child has any ability to form any serious perception of gender, I think, frankly – I put it to you respectfully – is utterly ridiculous and is actually damaging to that child.”