Walter Williams on Mark Levin’s New Show: 'We Have Betrayed the Founding Fathers’

Craig Millward | February 26, 2018 | 3:14pm EST
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On Mark Levin’s new FOX News Show “Life, Liberty & Levin,” on Sunday, economist and George Mason University Professor Walter Williams told Levin, “we have betrayed the founding fathers of our country” by giving more power to the federal government and less power to the states. 

“[M]aybe we're not that different, and maybe we're going to share the same future as those other great empires of the past,” said Walter Williams to Levin. “Keep in mind, we have betrayed the founding fathers of our country.”

Williams also warned, “we’re moving towards totalitarianism,” because the country is moving more towards “government control over our lives” and away from liberty.

Below is a transcript of Walter Williams’ remarks from “Life, Liberty and Levin”

Levin: “So that is a circular problem, then, because these people will continue to do what they're doing, these politicians. In fact, they grab more and more power from the private sector, from the individual, and yet they don't have the ability, either because of the public or because of their own lack of will, to do what needs to be done 20, 30, 40 years out.”

Williams: “That's right.”

Levin: “So what happens to a country?”

Williams: “Well, people will say, ‘Well, what can we do?’ And I ask, ‘Are the American people, as human beings, are we any different from the Spanish, the Portuguese, the French, the British, great empires of the past who went down the tubes for doing roughly what we're doing, bread and services?’ And I say, ‘Well, maybe we're not that different, and maybe we're going to share the same future as those other great empires of the past.’ Keep in mind, we have betrayed the founding fathers of our country.

“I mean, if you look at Federalist Paper 45, when James Madison is writing Federalist Paper 45, he was trying to convince the citizens of New York to ratify the constitution, and they were afraid to ratify the constitution. And he said, the powers that we delegated to the federal government are few and well-defined, and restricted mostly to external affairs. The powers left with the people in the state are indefinite and numerous. If you turn that upside down, we have what we have now: the powers of the federal government are indefinite and numerous.”


Levin: “Would you agree with me that in many respects we now live in a – to follow up your point – a post-constitutional period? It's not really a federal republic, since the states live at the behest of the federal government. It’s not really a representative republic. You have this massive administrative state with two million, you know, civil servants, bureaucrats, and it’s not really a constitutional republic when five individuals on the court can decide, in a 5-4 vote, if something is fundamental or not fundamental or decide to nationalize an issue and there's no recourse. What kind of a government is this right now?”

Williams: “Well we’re moving towards totalitarianism. That is, I'm not saying we're a totalitarian nation yet, but which way are we headed, tiny steps at a time? More government control over our lives or more liberty? And it's the latter, more government control over our lives. And so, and the tragic thing about this is that the American people have contempt for the United States Constitution, contempt and ignorance because any politician who decided to uphold and defend the United States Constitution, he would not get elected to office by the American people. That is, if he says, ‘Look, nowhere in the Constitution is there authority for the federal government to be involved in education. So if you send me to Washington, I'm not going to bring back billions of dollars in aid to higher education because it's not in the constitution.’ He'd be run out of town.”


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