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Trump Tells Georgia Secretary of State: ‘They Are Shredding Ballots, In My Opinion, Based on What I've Heard’

By CNSNews.com Staff | January 4, 2021 | 3:33pm EST
(NICHOLAS KAMM/AFP via Getty Images)
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In a recorded telephone call that took place on Saturday and then was leaked to some news organizations—President Donald Trump insisted to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger and his general counsel, Ryan Germany, that—“based on what” Trump had “heard”—ballots from November’s presidential election were being shredded in Georgia.

“What we're seeing is not at all what you're describing,” Germany told Trump after he made this assertion.

I think you're going to find that they are shredding ballots because they have to get rid of the ballots because the ballots are unsigned,” Trump said in a recording of the conversation posted online by CNN.

“The ballots are corrupt, and they're brand new and they don't have a seal and there's the whole thing with the ballots,” said Trump. “But the ballots are corrupt.

“And you are going to find that they are — which is totally illegal, it is more illegal for you than it is for them because, you know what they did and you're not reporting it,” said Trump. “That's a criminal, that's a criminal offense. And you can't let that happen. That's a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer. And that's a big risk.

“But they are shredding ballots, in my opinion, based on what I've heard,” said Trump.

“And they are removing machinery and they're moving it as fast as they can, both of which are criminal finds,” he said. “And you can't let it happen and you are letting it happen. You know, I mean, I'm notifying you that you're letting it happen.

“So look,” said Trump. “All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state.”

Ryan Germany responded to the president, saying: “Mr. President, this is Ryan. We're looking into every one of those things that you mentioned.”

“Good,” said Trump. “But if you find it you've got to say it, Ryan.”

“Let me tell you what we are seeing,” said Ryan Germany. “What we're seeing is not at all what you're describing, these are investigators from our office, these are investigators from GBI, and they're looking and they're good. And that's not what they're seeing. And we'll keep looking, at all these things.”

Trump then said: “Well, you better check the ballots because they are shredding ballots, Ryan. I'm just telling you, Ryan. They're shredding ballots. And you should look at that very carefully. Because that's so illegal. You know, you may not even believe it because it's so bad. But they're shredding ballots because they think we're going to eventually get--because we'll eventually get into Fulton. In my opinion it's never too late--

“So, that's the story,” said Trump.

Here is a transcript from the part of the conversation where Trump says they are shredding ballots:

President Donald Trump: “OK, whatever, it's a disaster. It's a disaster. Look. Here's the problem. We can go through signature verification and we'll find hundreds of thousands of signatures, if you let us do it. And the only way you can do it, as you know, is to go to the past. But you didn't do that in Cobb County. You just looked at one page compared to another. The only way you can do a signature verification is go from the one that signed it on November whatever. Recently. And compare it to two years ago, four years ago, six years ago, you know, or even one. And you'll find that you have many different signatures. But in Fulton, where they dumped ballots, you will find that you have many that aren't even signed and you have many that are forgeries.

OK, you know that. You know that. You have no doubt about that. And you will find you will be at 11,779 within minutes, because Fulton County is totally corrupt and so is she, totally corrupt.

And they're going around playing you and laughing at you behind your back, Brad, whether you know it or not, they're laughing at you and you've taken a state that's a Republican state, and you've made it almost impossible for a Republican to win because of cheating, because they cheated like nobody's ever cheated before. And I don't care how long it takes me, you know, we're going to have other states coming forward — pretty good.

But I won't ... this is never ... this is ... We have some incredible talent said they've never seen anything ... Now the problem is they need more time for the big numbers. But they're very substantial numbers. But I think you're going to find that they — by the way, a little information, I think you're going to find that they are shredding ballots because they have to get rid of the ballots because the ballots are unsigned. The ballots are corrupt, and they're brand new and they don't have a seal and there's the whole thing with the ballots. But the ballots are corrupt.

And you are going to find that they are — which is totally illegal, it is more illegal for you than it is for them because, you know what they did and you're not reporting it. That's a criminal, that's a criminal offense. And you can't let that happen. That's a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer. And that's a big risk. But they are shredding ballots, in my opinion, based on what I've heard. And they are removing machinery and they're moving it as fast as they can, both of which are criminal finds. And you can't let it happen and you are letting it happen. You know, I mean, I'm notifying you that you're letting it happen. So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state.

And flipping the state is a great testament to our country because, cause you know, this is — it's a testament that they can admit to a mistake or whatever you want to call it. If it was a mistake, I don't know. A lot of people think it wasn't a mistake. It was much more criminal than that. But it's a big problem in Georgia and it's not a problem that's going away. I mean, you know, it's not a problem that's going away.

Germany: Mr. President, this is Ryan. We're looking into every one of those things that you mentioned.

Trump: Good. But if you find it you've got to say it, Ryan.

Germany: “--Let me tell you what we are seeing. What we're seeing is not at all what you're describing, these are investigators from our office, these are investigators from GBI, and they're looking and they're good. And that's not what they're seeing. And we'll keep looking, at all these things.”

Trump: “Well, you better check the ballots because they are shredding ballots, Ryan. I'm just telling you, Ryan. They're shredding ballots. And you should look at that very carefully. Because that's so illegal. You know, you may not even believe it because it's so bad. But they're shredding ballots because they think we're going to eventually get--because we'll eventually get into Fulton. In my opinion it's never too late.--So, that's the story. Look, we need only 11,000 votes. We have are far more than that as it stands now. We'll have more and more. And. Do you have provisional ballots at all, Brad? Provisional ballots."

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