Rep. Jackie Speier: 'We're Hearing Conflicting Recall of What Actually Took Place' With Ukraine

Susan Jones | October 18, 2019 | 9:30am EDT
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Rep. Jackie Speier (D-Calif.) says she's ready to vote for impeachment, despite "conflicting recall" from witnesses. (Photo by Shannon Finney/Getty Images)

( - Rep. Jackie Speier (D-Calif.), a member of the House intelligence (impeachment!) committee, said she's "ready to vote" to impeach President Trump, even though the committee -- behind closed doors -- "is hearing conflicting recall of what actually took place."

"I think what's going to be important to us as we move forward is to drill down on many of these conversations that took place," Speier told CNN on Friday morning.


We're hearing conflicting recall of what actually took place. So I think getting more certitude in that regard is going to be helpful to us.

But I think it's pretty clear now. We have basically a whistle-blower who gave us a road map, and now we have the president of the United States driving down these roads to the various crime scenes. And I think all that's happened in just really the last three or four weeks is pretty compelling.

Asked if she is ready to vote for articles of impeachment, Speier said she is, but others are not:

"I'm ready to vote on it. I don't think there's any question in my mind or most people's minds. But I will say that we will continue to do our due diligence and put all of the facts on the table so that all the members, both Republicans and Democrats, have the benefit of a fulsome investigation.”

Speier said she believes transcripts of the committee's closed-door hearings will be released eventually, when Democrats have interviewed all the witnesses they plan to call. (Committee Republicans are not allowed to call witnesses.)

"I think there's every intention to do that,” Speier said about releasing the transcripts. “Maybe with redactions for anything that is classified or personally identifiable information. But, no, I don't think there's any question that this information needs to be released.

"The reason why we're doing these interviews behind closed doors is so that we can get truth. If everyone is allowed to come up with a script that they're all going to say, then we're not going to find out the truth."

Speier said she "certainly" supports releasing the transcripts "before all of this information is turned over to the Judiciary Committee and they contemplate whether or not articles of impeachment are appropriate."

The intelligence committee has dropped “obstruction” as the main thrust against Trump and has now turned to an alleged “quid pro quo” in Trump’s July 25 phone call with the newly elected president of Ukraine.

Democrats believe Trump was holding up U.S. military aid to Ukraine – or maybe holding out the possibility of a White House invitation to Zelensky – in exchange for Ukraine cooperating with a corruption investigation that might have benefited Trump politically.

On Thursday, Acting White House Chief of Staff said U.S. military aid to Ukraine was held up for three reasons:

“I was involved with the--the process by which the money was held up temporarily, okay?" Mulvaney said.

"Three issues for that; the corruption in the country; whether or not other countries were participating in the support of the Ukraine; and whether or not they were cooperating in an ongoing investigation with our Department of Justice (into the origins of the Trump-Russia probe). “That's completely legitimate,” Mulvaney said.

“The money held up had absolutely nothing to do with Biden,” Mulvaney said.

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