Volker: President Did Not Tell Me That Aid Depended on Investigations

By Susan Jones | November 20, 2019 | 8:07am EST
Former US Special Envoy for Ukraine, Kurt Volker (L), and Tim Morrison, the top Russia and Europe adviser on President Donald Trump's National Security Council testify before the House intelligence committee on November 19, 2019. (Photo by Andrew CABALLERO-REYNOLDS/AFP via Getty Images)
Former US Special Envoy for Ukraine, Kurt Volker (L), and Tim Morrison, the top Russia and Europe adviser on President Donald Trump's National Security Council testify before the House intelligence committee on November 19, 2019. (Photo by Andrew CABALLERO-REYNOLDS/AFP via Getty Images)

(CNSNews.com) - Ambassador Kurt Volker, the special envoy to Ukraine, actually spoke to both President Trump and Ukraine President Zelensky, and he told the House intelligence committee on Tuesday that Trump never told him that U.S. aid or a White House meeting depended on the Ukrainians investigating alleged 2016 election interference or the Bidens.

Rep. Mike Turner (R-Ohio) said the impeachment inquiry comes down to only one thing: "What did the president of the United States intend and what did he say, and what did the Ukrainians understand or hear?

"Ambassador Volker," Turner continued, "you're one of the first people that we've had in these open public testimony that's had conversations with both. So I get to ask you. You had a meeting with the president of the United States and you believed that the policy issues that he raised concerning Ukraine were valid, correct?

"Yes," Volker said.

"Did the president of the United States ever say to you that he was not going to allow aid for the United States to go to the Ukraine unless there were investigations into Burisma, the Bidens, or the 2016 elections?"

"No, he did not," Volker replied to Turner.

"Did the Ukrainians ever tell you that they understood that they would not get a meeting with the president of the United States, a phone call with the president of the United States, military aid or foreign aid from the United States unless they undertook investigations of Burisma, the Bidens, and the 2016 elections?" Turner asked.

"No, they did not," Volker said.

"You know, pretty much, Ambassador Volker, you just, like, took apart their entire case. I mean, if the president of the United States does not believe or intended and the Ukrainians don't understand it, and you're the only one who actually stands in-between them.

Volker also said he'd spoken to Trump's attorney Rudy Giuliani: "Did Giuliani ever tell you that United States aid or a meeting with the president of the United States would not occur for the Ukrainians until they agreed to an investigation of Burisma, the Bidens, or the 2016 election?" Turner asked.

"Yeah, everything I heard from Giuliani I took to be his opinion...It was not guidance," Volker said.

"So, I would assume, then, that the Ukrainians never told you that--that Giuliani had told them that in order to get a meeting with the president, a phone call with the president, military aid, or--or foreign aid from the United States that they would have to do these investigations?"

"No," Volker replied.



 

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