Four More Witnesses Testifying Tuesday in Impeachment Inquiry, But Who's Watching?

By Susan Jones | November 19, 2019 | 6:31am EST
The House intelligence committee, chaired by Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) continues with its public "impeachment inquiry" on Tuesday. (Photo by SAUL LOEB/POOL/AFP via Getty Images)
The House intelligence committee, chaired by Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) continues with its public "impeachment inquiry" on Tuesday. (Photo by SAUL LOEB/POOL/AFP via Getty Images)

( - Four witnesses will testify in the House intelligence committee's impeachment inquiry today, beginning with Alexander Vindman (member of the National Security Council since 2018) and Jennifer Williams (Vice President Pence's advisor) at 9 a.m.; and Kurt Volker (special envoy to Ukraine) and Tim Morrison (National Security Council official) at 2:30 p.m.

But who will be watching?

It's "boring television," Rep. Andy Biggs (Ariz.), a Republican member of the House Judiciary Committee, told Fox News’s Laura Ingraham Monday night.

I think you're going to see continued declining ratings because this is just boring television. Nobody likes to watch it. I mean, even if I were at home, I would probably have it on mute.

But Vindman himself has so many problems, as you know. I mean, whether you come in dressed with all the medals or not, the fact is, he basically confesses that this is a policy issue for him and not that there was any legal wrongdoing on the part of the president. Now, If that's the case, then he was just another pawn in the deep state, isn't he?

Rep. Chris Stewart (R-Utah), a member of the intelligence committee, told Ingraham, "You can only cry wolf so many times. And eventually, people will quit listening. They've been crying wolf for three and a half years now. And I think we've just seen it -- eventually people quit listening."

Vindman, in his earlier closed door testimony, told the intelligence committee he was "concerned" by President Trump's July 25 call with Ukraine President Zelensky.

"I did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen, and I was worried about the implications to the U.S. Government’s support of Ukraine...I realized that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma, it would likely be interpreted as a partisan p1ay, which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan support it has thus far maintained. This would all undermine U.S. national security. Following the ca1l, I again reported my concerns to NSC's legal counsel."

But other witnesses have reported concerns about Vindman himself:

In his closed-door testimony, Tim Morrison, Vindman's former boss at the National Security Council, told the committee, "I had concerns about Lieutenant Colonel Vindman's judgment."

Morrison, who succeeded Fiona Hill at NSC, noted, "Fiona and others had raised concerns about Alex's judgment."

Morrison said Vindman sometimes went outside the chain of command in expressing his concerns, keeping Morrison out of the loop; and Morrison also said he was made aware of "concerns" that Vindman may have leaked information.

In an exchange with Rep. John Ratcliffe (R-Texas), Morrison explained his difference of opinion with Vindman on what happened in the July 25 phone call:

Morrison said he "was not concerned that anything illegal was discussed" in the Trump-Zelensky call.

Ratcliffe noted that Vindman, on the other hand, "testified that he was concerned and that he did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen."

Ratcliffe asked Morrison if he heard Trump "make a demand of President Zelensky to investigate a foreign citizen?"

"I did not," Morrison replied. "To be clear, I did not fully understand this subject matter at the time, the CrowdStrike issue, these issues," he added.

Morrison said he does not remember Vindman expressing concern that something illegal or improper was said on the call.

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